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The Great "Press Play" Debate

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after deadmau5, angello, sneak, afrojack have all had their say, Atrak has now said his piece. he seems to make a few good points but seems to maybe take up a position on the fence with many others.
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A quick summary please?

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200+ thread

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some think its ok to have something preorganised, press play, stand there and do fuck all. some think its a disgrace to dj culture (they are right). Atrak thinks that both camps have valid points for their methods and he sits on the fence.

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pretty generic statements made. altho hes seems to favour the 'real' djing side. but tbh who gives a fuck. 'EDM' is winning the battle.

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i really liked this though :
To the DJs who choose to bypass the LED screen arms race and stick to their decks, I respect that too. Just make sure you give your audience something new every night. If you want to play David to deadmau5's Goliath, earn it. Challenge yourself to challenge the crowd. And to all the new fans just discovering this genre, come to the shows with an open mind. Don't just wait to hear the songs you already know. There's a reason you're not watching a band. DJing is still at the cutting edge of new music. Let yourself be surprised.

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Do you stand and look at what the DJ is doing all night or dance your ass off to a really good set regardless of whether or not it is premixed? I'd say most people do the latter so it hardly matters. Plus on reading the Deadmau5 article in Rolling Stone, a lot of work seems to go in before hand for his pre-recorded stuff. It said that someone changed the time they had on stage and he was essentially up all night redoing the mix because cutting a few minutes would destroy what he wanted to do that night. To me thats dedication. If work like that is put in even though it is prerecorded/premixed, I don't really see the issue at all.

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so would it be alright for a band to turn up to a massive sell out crowd and just play a cd of their stuff which they worked for months making?

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Lots of musicians mime.

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A good DJ reads the crowd reaction and tailors the music, and style of his set. Having a robotic, one for all approach is lazy when it comes to playing other people's tunes, but I can accept the approach when it comes to an exclusive PA of an artists discography eg Chemical Brothers. A pre programmed set list works, especially when there are integral visuals.

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doesnt make it right. i wouldnt pay money to see a light show organised round music ive heard a million times. people like deadmau5 are just standing there barely visable smoking a megurban raking in the cash. its not about the music anymore which is a shame.

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Fair point Phunk. I take the attitude that if I'm having a good time then that's all that matters. I'm not there to do a deep analysis of the performance or how the DJ performed (not that I go to very many of these types of things). I'm there to enjoy myself.

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Do you think the chems or Orbital build all their tracks in front of their audiences when they play live? Some effects, a bit of cutting up, editing that's it. That's dance music live.

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im the opposite s tbh. if i go to see a dj, i will be locked on the dj, obviously enjoying the music too. i like to see what they are up to

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Fair enough chris, thats dedication for you.

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but it is possible to do phunk from what i understand of ableton. so it basically comes down to laziness, lack of skill or simple doing it for the benjamins.

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Chris, that's the thing. There is a difference between a dj and a PA live show. A dj has to be show his creativity and technical ability off as he is playing other people's tunes, a PA can get away with the previous prepared approach with a smattering of cutting and editing

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Good to see though that the passion for the whole thing is still there and that debates like this happen in media. Gives more attention to music in general and shows that there is a really big interest. The Deadmau5 article was a really good read and I thought he made a lot of great points. Would be interested in reading an article from the other side.

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Dance music performances and production is definatly do-able live.
the pre-recorded argument is complete horse shit tbh.

People like steve angello and deadmau5 are sickening.
There are plenty of acts who play using vast technical arrays that are simply mind boggling.
Just one example is this set up from the Alive tour in 2007
digitaldj.files.wordpr...

Now granted, ive listened to the Live album and a few bootlegs from the tour, the set does have a certain direction and order, but none of the two mixes ive heard are the same, with live edits and cuts and overlays of two sometimes more tracks.

Moderat and Modeselektor also play fully live sets using Ableton and a number of Native instruments Maschine controllers + Analog syntesisers and a live drummer.

The "I had to sit overnight for hours re cutting my edits and samples because they cut my set short by 10 minutes" argument is frankly a load of total balls.

theres my two cents.

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pm kerri on es

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Every week this debate gets wheeled out on here, are people not tired of it yet?

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who gives a fuck (who gives a fuck)

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Chris you are obssesed with this topic.
Don't use the "if a band were to show up and play a cd..." Line...

Djs are not musicians.

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Atrak is an amazing dj and on a different level than your standard dance music dj.

Best dj in the world at 15, some pup

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Threads like this make me hate dance/dj culture.

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lol @ dj's being musicians

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cobblestone jazz

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What about carl cox on 4decks

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James Zabelia

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Cull I was just putting it out there for the lads. One more opinion from a big name dj to deliberate over. I'm also not saying djs are musicians, but they definately have the capability of recreating their own stuff live as a musician would with instruments. But these guys aren't, and that's where the problem lies.
Ya dig?

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the likes of carl craig would be musicians imo

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Really though, who cares?

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True Ryan

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That wasn't aimed at you Dee, more the topic of this thread.

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I never give a fuck whether or not the DJ was strumming out beats using his cock on a hi-hat as long as he was dropping big tunes who cared what the fuck he was doing up in that little box

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lol @ dj's being musicians

LOL +1

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Who said djs were musicians?

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lol @ DJs not being musicians.

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chris mcmtoday @ 11:23 a.m.
Who said djs were musicians?

You did a direct comparison.

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Chris, just look at the whole thing in perspective.

Are you a Deadmau5, Steve Aoki, Avicchi etc fan? Are you ever going to see them play? Doubt it. Their views on how they perform have little of no impact on the type of music you take interest in, so why worry about it? The music I like is never going to be mainstream, so I couldn't give two fucks what the popstars of dance music have to say.

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*or

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It's just a topic Ryan, put your munks back on.

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You're the one freaking out about what A Trak said about what Deadmau5 said....scandalous. My 'munks' are on, don't you worry wee m8sy!

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grow that hair again Ryan and they be off

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Hair is staying short baz. No homo.

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I was comparing situations s, not talents.

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I would say a DJ is a musician, they usually work with music and have a good ear for it. I bet more often than not they can play an instument too. Its not many DJs these days who don't remix work or create their own stuff.

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chris mcmtoday @ 11:51 a.m.
I was comparing situations s, not talents.

Irrelevant.

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Some people do appreciate or enjoy a dj doing more than playing a tune or some don't care and just want to dance.

Slegging people for being interested is just as bad as slegging people for not.

Dance musics dead let's just move on

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I was thinking, oul dance music, god bless her, as been around for so long now. When and where is the next musical/social movement coming from? Or will there even be one with such an already connected society.

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