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Causeway Centre Gives Creationist View

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www.u.tv/News/Causeway...

Welcome tourists of the world. People in this country still believe in a magical being in the sky and like to fight each other every summer. Come check out how backward we really are!

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"This is, as far as we are aware, a first for the National Trust anywhere in the UK, and it sets a precedent for others to follow."

That's because everyone else in the UK find it laughable.

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Ah let them have their small victories, ultimately they're nearly always very unhappy people.

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And we'll not speculate on the absurdity of proposing creationism as an alternative POV in the same place that also speculates that "giants did it"

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Heresy & creationism in the same building. It's embarrassing.

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It's legend though, mythology, old school media distribution

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1. At the end o' the seven days the Laird did luk at his new creation an' saw that it wus guid. "Ah hiv made the heaven an' the earth an' the bastes an' the burds an' the like," he didst say, "An' a hiv made fowk, an stuck them somewhar in the middle aist."

2. The Laird didst continue "Jist fur the record ah wud ask yis til note thit Ah hivnae made any dinosaurs oor the like, but Ah wus bored oan the third day an' stuck a few big bones in the racks fur til gie me a laugh in a lock o' years an' til fool yer science boys."

3. Thus the Laird didst rest, an' whilst restin' turned his attention til the Nairth Antrim area. "This coastline is braw," he thunk, "but lacks a certain je ne say qua" fur the Laird wus wurkin' oan French fowk in his spare time.

4. "Ah will gie this area til ma chosen fowk, the Ulster Scots, in a bit, but fur now ah will fashion a massive attraction fur til allae them til fleece Americans an o'er tourists in the years til come." Thus the Laird did invent the hexagon an' piled a rake o' them up randomly, aiven drappin' a lock o' them in the sea. The Laird didst luk at his thing, an calt it the Giant Causeway."

5. Then the Laird didst ate veda an' cheese.

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So who all read the whole article before commenting/ ;-)

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Not me! Where's the fun in that?

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I read it all, as depressing as it was.

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Agreed. If it's subtle, I can't see how it's a problem. If even 1/100 visitors paid any serious attention to it I'd be surprised.

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One of the things I really respected about the Natural History Museums in DC and New York was that they made absolutely no pandering to (or even mention of) Creationism whatsoever. Given that they're entirely state funded and that the DC one contained a huge evolution exhibit which discussed the differing debates within the scientific community about aspects of evolution, not having anything about Creationism was a wonderful surprise.

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told in a story form like a child story don't see the problem.

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The story of the giants is an intriguing and interesting one which hints to the Irish propensity for storytelling. Creationism is none of that and is just a destructive idea. I am extremely skeptical that it is even being referred to in the light that you describe, but even then, allowing it to be mentioned as even a vague alternative is giving it too much attention. Don't mention it at all, it is worthless.

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"a load"

can anyone quantify "a load"? just want to know how sizable a group these people are.

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I just hope that Xenu is also represented.

I will also be pressing for the aztec notion of creation to be put on display.

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Well thats my point.

10,000 people, statistically, for the population of northern ireland (and really the Uk as a whole as the national trust is uk wide organisation) if a tiny percentage.

Like 0.6%.

Is that a sizable enough proportion of the population?

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I think it was the home of a race of massive stone eating bees who occupied ireland exactly 474 years ago, last tuesday.

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but even 100,000 people is only 6%. Still not a sizable minority.

Orrrrrrr is it perhaps that this is a hangover from the previous minister for the environment aul Edwin Poots and current DSD minister Nelson McCausland two well known fundamentalists?

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But should it be included at all is the point?

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The way you are talking you'd think Finn McCool wasn't real.

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Pandering to wingnuts who believe in a magical being and live outside the realms of reality is a fucking farce in my book, the cunts who proposed it's inclusion shoulda been laughed out of the building

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Yeah but its not being presented as a myth. Creationist view point is, in their eyes, a statement of fact. Unexamined, unjustified, but fact.

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sigh

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www2.b3ta.com/host/cre...

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Rigsy I honestly can't see them putting it across any other way than as a serious counter point to the actual truth otherwise the holyjoe brigade would be up in arms, to even have such a viewpoint included is laughable, makes my blood boil leek

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the issue is that i shouldnt have to see the exhibition. no reference to religion should be made on the site.

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mentalists

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and it aint gonna be patronising or tongue in cheek. theyd be hung out to dry.

i couldnt be bothered debating this really, if you cant see it as potentially dangerous unsubstantiated bollocks being touted around at the whim of those more than likely abusing their position to shove religious dogma down the throats of not just locals but international tourists, im not really sure if its worth talking about.

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im going to have the above unsubstantiated option spray painted onto the side of the H&W cranes btw.

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www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni... "Research commissioned by the religious thinktank Theos reveals that 25 per cent of the adult population of Northern Ireland believe in some version of creationism."

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Rigsy if you think there's legitimately any chance of creationism being represented in a mocking light in this exhibit you are very foolish. It's akin to drawing Mohammad to these cunts. Mccausland and the rest would go fucking bananas.

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Nelson McCausland is a dangerous individual

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"Welcome to The Giants Causeway.

Scientists believe it was formed by volcanic activity some 60 million years ago.

However, those of you with a religious disposition will be fully aware that the earth is only 6000 years old and therefore, as it's name suggests, the Giants Causeway was actually built by giants, who roamed the earth a few months after it was made by God. It is because of these giants that God decided to make people a little bit smaller, as he could see that at 20 feet tall, people would cause too much trouble, and build big shit everywhere."

Would you Adam and Eve it?

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adam and steve it

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Every time a gay couple marry, a couple of thousand more years are knocked off the age of the universe

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lol Shat. Who votes for these people? Seriously, does anyone know someone who votes for them?

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"Dear friends at the National Trust and Caleb Foundation,

I write to congratulate you on your recent collaboration to ensure a Young Earth Creationist viewpoint is given prominence at the Giant's Causeway interpretive centre in Antrim. I'm sure you share my view that science has brought us many wonderful benefits and would not seek to stand against it. I feel you likely share my view that science is a useful tool, but that too often the blinkers of the majority opinion mean we see only one possible interpretation of the evidence.

I, too, represent a group that seeks to understand scientific discoveries with proper respect and in the context of my beliefs. Although not a Young Earth Creationist, or indeed a Christian, I have been impressed with the Caleb Foundation's ability to make a case against overwhelming scientific consensus, and the National Trust's willingness to be open to other viewpoints.

My group has experienced much the same discrimination and, dare I say it, mockery as the Caleb Foundation. I represent the Dublin branch of Na Fianna, an organisation devoted to maintaining the traditional ways of the poets, warriors, Druids and kings of old Ireland.

It has not been a positive few years for us - as with many, the economic downturn has hit us rather hard and a legal battle with a political party that unjustly uses our name has proven rather costly. Our sacred ceremony, the thumbing of the salmon of knowledge, has been severely curtailed by the 2006 ban on salmon fishing and our requests for a religious exemption have fallen on deaf ears. We try to make do with frozen Alaskan salmon, but the experience is not quite the same and some of the Druids feel the ceremony is incomplete. (Did you know that there is now a proven link between the fatty oils in salmon and increased brain function? It just goes to show the wonders that science can contribute to religious belief!)

I fear I've digressed. The modern scientific interpretation says that 60 million years ago molten basalt was forced through chalk beds, forming the distinctive columns we see today at the Giant's Causeway. Let me state that this is a perfectly fair interpretation of the facts if you come to the matter from an agiantist perspective. Indeed, the giant rock hurling hypothesis does not require any significant modification to the existing scientific model. It may very well be that this molten basalt growth is exactly what happened - in Scotland!

For evidence, look at the identical columns on Staffa island off the Scottish coast. This strengthens our case considerably. It's perfectly conceivable that a giant, hurling a stone column of that size and weight, would have adopted a technique similar to what is found in modern Highland games. The elevation and velocity required to move such weight over such a long distance would have resulted in extreme temperatures on re-entry, allowing for some return to a molten state before landing in its new home and recooling next to other columns.

I ask the National Trust to consider, in addition to the mildly patronising but very well produced details on Irish history, including some of the scientific theories backing our legitimate interpretation of the evidence available to us.

And I ask the Caleb foundation to hear us out. We are of different faiths but we share a belief in giants. Amos 2:9-10 describes an Amorite thusly:
Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was as strong as the oaks
In Deuteronomy, we see further evidence of giants:
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
If my maths is correct this puts him at over thirteen feet! And naturally, we have Goliath, a man of towering height, capable of carrying extensive weight in weapons and armor, and quite likely capable of hurling large rocks.

If you are willing to give us a fair hearing I can have our Druids and researchers put together an information pack for your perusal. I'm sure as that your trust would not wish to be seen to favour one religion over another, and I feel that the Caleb foundation's experiences and our shared belief in giants will mean, despite our differences, that we can work together.

With best wishes,

Rígfénnid Geoff"

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Tldr

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religion has no place ANYWHERE other than the home or a church least of all a public exhibition and especially not beliefs that are completely fucking batshit insane

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Agreed. I'm also concerned that a fundamentalist Christian pressure group have been able to hold so much sway over the local politicians & National Trust during the planning of this visitor's centre. Actually the politicians I can kinda understand, given that we're plagued with narrow minded god botherers in positions of power.. but the National Trust should know better. I'd like to here the National Trust explain why these nutters have been given anything more than the time of day.

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it just legitimises the point of view and creationists around the world will be able to point to it as evidence they are right... inflicting their world view on unsuspecting kids

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Yes won't someone please think of the children.

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www.toothpastefordinne...

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"Scientists who accept the biblical record reject the faulty assumptions that lead to dates over millions of years. They accept the Bible's revelation that the Flood occurred only about 4,500 years ago. Knowing this, they believe that the violent currents of the Flood, deposited the sedimentary strata now found in Northern Ireland. Then late in the Flood, soon after the waters began receding, volcanic activity covered the sedimentary strata with a thin layer of lava. This lava then hardened as it cooled. As the earth movement paused, the waters briefly covered the area again. Within days, the earth movements and lava flows restarted. This rapid cycle would explain the stacked sequence of lavas—with their cooling columns—that we see today."
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Fucking claptrap

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Religion has no place in an exhibit like this

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How can people believe this shite, I mean seriously... I can overlook moderate Christians or people with faith with whom it’s a personal choice and I’m fine with that, whatever makes you happy mate but creationists are right up there with scientologists, moomins, raelians and other cults in which the members are completely fucking borked in the 'ead but to have these fuckers represented in any shape or form at a public exhibition is enough to make me actually picket the fucking place to have it removed

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This is a good read www.geolsoc.org.uk/gsl...

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that was a good read

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Jimmy in bwi wrote (7 hours ago):
We need to remember that evolution is likely to be difficult to grasp in a part of the world where it has yet to take place.

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