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A great argument against it which applies to the film industry aswell.

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Ha!

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Whos that in the wee football .gif? Quite funneh

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here nai m8, i'm the one with the tapp aff.....

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Looks like a good read, will look at it later.

Interesting Ted Talk on the magic of copyright math:

www.ted.com/talks/rob_...

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Is there an audio version of it I can download from pirate bay and not listen to?

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Have fun screwing all those artists you so love.

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Spotify is creating a problem for me now as i use it alot. Seems they are screwing artists aswell.

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lol ferg

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Watch that video yet Kev? Its legit, not stolen just a Ted talk

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I pirate little music these days, most of the tunes I d/l are free anyway. Get the odd wee promo here and there too

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Will watch later as i'm heading out. Ted talks are usually well informative.

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Great contribution to the thread then!

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Spotify isn't screwing the artists, the labels are.

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All art should be free

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and how should the artists fee themselves dirty?

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is it a 1080 rip?

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They could get a part-time job to fund the pure love of their chosen career path instead of moping about all day living off benefits and trying on skinny jeans.

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Do I download music free to support artists?

No it's their career choice!

I download music free so I don't have to pay for it!

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If the musics good enough people will pay to go see them perform live

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all the artists i listen to are dead!

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I couldn't get a particular artists album for love nor money, it was only released in Norway and I tried getting it through various legal means, but alas had to download it illegally. Went to see the guy in concert and at the bar later I told him I had to download it illegally, bought him a pint to make up for it haha

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I dont really buy it. His debate is flawed in that he calls on us, essentially uninterested bystanders, to intervene in *his* labour dispute and lobby on his behalf. Out of a sense of fairness to artists? It's up to the artists to create their own lobby and better their conditions, *themselves*.

Just supporting a floundering middleman business model (one in which the artists labels also callously lock up kids for downloading tunes) keeping itself afloat with reissues, litigation, DRM and X-factor piffle ecause *some* might flow down to the creator is sticking your head in the sand.

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... as opposed to taking it for free so *none* will flow to the artist?

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What pavlov said. You's have no respect for the musicians in what you are doing.

Lemac, is that supposed to excuse the piracy problem?

And please, fuck off with that art should be free argument.

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Im only windin, but the music industry has changed. Far too much free music and openly available music on the net cant expect people to pay for it still. Years ago if you wanted to listen to a song anytime you HAD to buy the record, now just pop onto youtube/spotify/etc. If artists feel hard done by they should go get a real job plenty of budding musicians and producers out there to provide the music just for the love of it.

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Too much free music and can't expect people to pay for it? I think you've missed the point completely. I take it your just trolling without even reading the article?
Your ignorant attitude pretty much disgusts me, to be honest.

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tbf what lemac done for that guy was prob worth more in cash than what he would have made on the album

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I wasn't excusing anything, just relating a story :-)

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The market has changed though, and to rely on the old business models aint gonna work. Theres still loads of money out there to be made in music. Artists need to be smarter about it and adapt

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Any of you's read that article?

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I'd like to know what you base that statement on, cleandirty.

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Cause I bought a CD once.

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good article. couldn't bring myself to download from filesharing sites now but have pretty much stopped buying downloads due to Spotify being just too handy. Still buy the odd CD and record but really question whether I should still be doing this or just going full-time Spotify.

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What I'm saying is that you cannot revert to the old model, it must change. People do want the artists to get paid, but there has to be option outside of a transaction per listen/download. Pavlov none flows to the artist by stealing, basically none did before to the vast majority of recording artists (despite his heavily favourable equations, i read different ones in rolling stone years ago when there was crying about how cd cuts were too little) yet the end result for me is the same. From a political economy standpoint it is essentially their labour dispute, and they have, or haven't explored a viable means of exploiting their labour themselves.

"It's a shit business" etc etc

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New season of Mad Men was just sold to Netflix for streaming for $70 mill.

Ka ching. Someone at the top level of these companies is being kept in ivory backscratchers, setting the artists against the fans by blaming the way people now naturally interact with the medium is missing a trick and really missing the point.

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Totally. Not in the UK though apparently, blame Sky...

www.guardian.co.uk/med...

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I'm really not sure how many of you read that article. Does he not lay out how the record industry works in paying people?

He also talks about how artists are putting out their music through their own digital labels and the like and yet people still steal their music.

Your correct rigsy and i have no qualms with your example of downloading but, in my opinion, there are great ways to get music and film still by paying for them.

I personally think we have a huge freeloading culture that is a disgrace and is every bit as much a problem as anything the record companies and the like are doing. Having your cake and eating it too.

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I think you're pretty much correct in nearly everything you say Kev, but that it won't matter.

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One of my favourite bands is known for saying on stage at almost every gig to download whatever the fuck you want, but when your fav bands come to town, buy a ticket, buy a t-shirt.

They get buttons on music sales these days. It's all in the live shows and the merchandise.

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If I paid for all the music I listen to, I'd have less music to go to gigs, pay for flights, get festival tickets etc. It's priioritising.

I really strongly believe that music happens on a stage, not in a bedroom, and that's where I'll pay for it. And believe me, I'll fucking pay. No qualms at all about pay 80 quid or more for a band I love.

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How much do u spend on music per month Kevin?

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I always thought Kev was an anti-capitalist. The kinda guy that would freak out if you ate in McDonalds... yet he wants us to hand our wallets over to the poor wee chaps at EMI.

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I smell fuckIng bullshit

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Can imagine Kev in the middle of those anti capitalist marches flinging old SVCD movies at the 5 0

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Said band is Skindred. Front man is Benji Webb who's a really cool guy. Met him very briefly once.

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The fact is though, Wayne, most people don't go to see these acts or buy the merchandise just consume the music.

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If you truly love doing something, you would do it regardless if you were getting paid or not.

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While I don't agree with it myself, I know loads of lads who DJ who don't pay for one of their tracks. Music is one of my main interests, so collecting it is my hobby. Also, as I get paid to play, I think it's wrong not to be buying all my music I use. Unfortunately not everyone thinks that way. I'll admit though, buying mp3 is shit! Nothing to show for it except used space on your hard disc.

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I spend maybe a couple of hundred a month on music and if I look back over the vinyl/cd/flac downloads I've paid for over the last couple of months none of it has had anythnig to do with any of the majors bar a couple of Talk Talk reissues.

I've been buying up stuff on the Denovali label.
I've been buying from Bandcamp as well as directly from some of the artists own web pages.

The piracy argument will rage for years.......Home taping never killed music and neither will digital illegal downloads.

For the record though I generally only pinch stuff that I can't actually buy due to it being out of print or just unavailable.

Occasionally I will try to contact the artist directly and that has met with some success.....notably Fred Giannelli offering to send me a cdr copy of a track that I'd lost the 12" of.

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Mincer today @ 11:04 a.m.
If you truly love doing something, you would do it regardless if you were getting paid or not.

Musicians can't get paid for benefit for sitting round making music for you any longer

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